id just like to add a lil to it joy ...yes we do have rights...freedom of speech being one of them ...but then we cannot just say anything and everythng ...our actions need to justify our thoughts n speech !

“I have nothing new to teach the world. Truth and non-violence are as old as the hills” -M.K Gandhi

Gandhiji stood for, his ideals, his simplicity, his love for the truth and non-violence and his principals are very relevant for the India we live in today. The nation is still going through trying times and violence is present in various forms, we still need to learn from his values and imbibe his spirit of good will and kindness. However, I have to add that in the younger generation, I see that his relevance is in a much smaller context... the enthusiasm for his ideals is dying down in the younger lot. Movies like MUNNABHAI did remind us of the father of the nation, but blame the system or ourselves, the values he gave us are surely dying out. I feel some of the national issues like terrorism & the Kashmir issue would definitely have had a different shape today had Gandhian ideologies been still alive in us.

[size=4][/size]well i think gandhi was moron . I can tell many more things more than u have studied in your text books. He is a real diplomatic always thinking about his importance and forcing everyone to follow his path but u know he can again take birth in India and KISS MY INDIAN ASS!!!
I was because of him we lost great freedom fighters like BHAGAT SINGH. He even forced Subhash Chandra Bose to leave congress and it was because of him he was on a run.
And u know wat Gandhi postponed the independence movement in 1939 when the British asked him to wait until after the war. During the war years Gandhi toured the country to get Indians to join the British Indian army and also raising funds for the war effort.As a result thousands of Indians died fighting for the British in foreign lands . His role in the murder of Bhagat Singh and his comrades by the British is questionable to say the least. His economics were up the creak .He wanted Indians to use a manual spinning wheal when the rest of the world had been using machines for good two hundred.In short he was a mistake. One question you must ask your self is why did the British like him?

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I personally think if Gandhi was not supported by the British he would have lost to the revolutionaries and India would have got its freedom earlier. The progressive movement among others would have been lead by Lala Lajpat Rai, Bhagat Singh and Chandar Shekhar Azad in India and the Gadhar movement lead by Lala Hardiyal from North America. If you read the history of the Gadhar movement and of the Babar Akali movement you will find out where the whole movement was going and who was making all the sacrifices.Shahid Kartar Singh Saraba and Shahid Udham Singh were both part of the Socialist Gadhar movement, as you may know they were both hanged, KS in India and US in London.There is a third force, Subash C. Bose I do not know where he fits in especially after him going to Hitlers Germany and then to Japan.


Just ASK 4 IT AND I WILL GIVE U MORE INSIGHT ON THAT

in that case...give us more ...because im still not satisfied....try think about him ! y is he known as teh father of the nation ? y do so many people still believe in his ideologies...y do we still celebrate his bday n are thank ful to him ?

well , we all know what we do on Gandhi Jayanti , and i would not like to explain that at all. We go shopping watch movies etc. I ask you 1 question and answer that to yourself honestly that how many times have you kept silence for 2 minutes on the Gandhi Jayanti after passing out from your school.
The answer to question that why people think him as their leader is, well.....there are no such people. and if they show that they are then you Indians have a big problem of following masses and not classes. I can give you so many examples related to that.

Example 1:- when students started taking engineering almost 90 % of them were not even aware of what
engineering was.

Example 2:-If Lalu Prasad yadav can win in elections then anyone can become the father of nation.

And i have already answered that question why we like gandhi but the british like gandhi as well. And people believe what they are told. the stature of the Nehru- Gandhi family was so very high that a single uproar was considered as a the staging of a political coup. Maybe the opinion of the masses would have been different, had the historians of that time been allowed to investigate or throw light on what went on in those meetings between the British and the Gandhi. Just the fact we do not have any accounts of these events, makes me feel that there is something fishy about this

chillax rohan .....!!!!! the big faunt is for scaring me or wat ???? lolzzzz ! nyhow...ur last sentence says it all...we dnt have any account of the events n that makes u feel fishy about it ...so say that its fishy dnt be so sure about wat ur sayin its just about havin an opinion ! n yes lalu also has some good thngs aboout him if u cd concentrate on that

Hmmmm... i think from now on whenever i would like someone to agree with me . i will use the SCARY font again. LOL And now i would seriously like to wind up this talk. May be you are right or it could be me.
I would just like you to read a book titled FREEDOM AFTER MIDNIGHT. This was the only book which got published cause it is not written by an Indian . All other books which had things in opposition to Mr. Gandhi were stopped from publishing. You can check the facts from the people who were alive in 1947 or from their descendants . Best person to tell you about this is Bhagat Singh's family

well, i dnt know nybody from bhagat singhs family so a meet wd them s not possible ! n yes finally we r winding up ...i m glad....n seriously m so happy u realized that u cd be right n so cd i ...as i said earlier its just a differnce of opinion...m gonna stand by wat i feel n ditto for u ..! but yes il chek out the book n get bk here
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Every person has the right to freedom of expression, and I guess Rohan is rightfully using that. But I would just like to put forth only one point; Why when it comes to this issue (contribution of Gandhi et al), the whole of the nation has different opinion, nevertheless since I have sojourned in many parts of India, I can infer that primarily the people from parts of Punjab and Haryana have opinion against Gandhi, most obviously because of the Bhagat Singh issue. Although, there are other people also, who have similar opinions, irrespective of their region.
To all of us, we really appreciate the contribution of Bhagat Singh towards the success of independence movement, but it doesnt mean that we always have to compare any great personality's contribution with other great personality's.
Indian is known for its diversity; diversity of religion, customs, traditions, language, dialects and most importantly diversity of mindsets (this kind diversity exists in every part of world). Bhagat Singh and Gandhi had different mindsets, evidently quite opposite to each other. They advocated their mindsets and tried for Independence. Undoubtedly, both are equally great, nonetheless, in the eyes of this world, Gandhi's role was more prominent, because of evident reasons.
Role of Gandhi in Bhagat Singh's demise is a kind of urban legend, I would say. Only a few handful books and few colourful, crowd centric Bollywood movies had depicted this. Neutral Books or movies like 'Gandhi' (won 8 Academy Awards), can manifest the neutral (read true) mindset on this issue. If there are 10 books which have written something against Gandhi, then there must be 1000 books which must have written good about Gandhi, if facts in the books is the only criterion.
Concealment of the facts which can malign Gandhi's image by Government or other authorities is also a fluke, as India is a country where people doesn't miss any chance to exercise their one of the most basic rights: Right to Freedom of expression, and I think in this context India had achieved a milestone. If opposition (led by Hindu extremists) can praise Jinnah, so what makes anyone think that they will ever leave a chance to say anything against Gandhi, the Patron if not Founder of Congress, the ruling party, might be for 2 reasons:
1) There is indeed no proof or truth about Gandhi's non-contribution in Indian independence or contribution in Bhagat Singh's demise.
2) The vast majority (must be over 80% nationally) of Indian population will never accept any argument against Gandhi.
If we accept any reason, we are implicitly acknowledging Gandhi's major and path breaking efforts and contribution towards an Independent India.

Disclaimer: Well this view is my own personal view, though it can not be deemed as biased. Further, it does not intend to criticize or curb any other's point of views. This is an individual point of view and not representational.

and yes counter views are most welcomed

Post edited by: extoljoy, at: 2009/10/08 22:23